Ep. 90 - The Last Campfire of Season 9

Another season is officially in the books, and there's only one way to celebrate... put our memories to the test.
This week, the Fellowship goes head-to-head in the annual Season 9 Trivia Challenge, reliving our favorite interviews, biggest laughs, unforgettable moments, and the adventures that made this season one to remember. Think you paid attention this year? Play along and see if you can outscore the guys.
Grab a drink, settle in around the campfire, and join us for one last ride through Season 9.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:09

Hello! Welcome to Busted Knees and Pretty Trees. Thanks for coming along. Hope you all had a wonderful 4th of July weekend and safely maintained your original finger count. Happy birthday, USA! I don't want to overshadow that 250th celebration, but with all due respect, this podcast kind of has a big to-do coming up. Today, we're checking off the final episode of the final season before we start the final countdown for the final ten episodes before we finally hit 100. Yo!

SPEAKER_03 0:50

That was cool as fuck.

SPEAKER_00 0:51

And we're gonna get there quickly because ever since the summer started, time has been flying. This season of the podcast and in our personal lives have just been packed full of activities so far. Um but with the pod, we've had all sorts of gear talk, park walks, plenty of chuckles, of course, my favorite, our guests, always providing us with actual science or introducing new perspectives on our connection to the wild. For example, this season we had Patty's high school biology teacher, which is he was absolutely one of my favorite episodes. Javen loved him. Uh, we had an urban wildlife biologist from the Indiana DNR, and we had a true trailblazer from the Hoosier Hikers Council. That's right. We're hitting a lot of points here. Are you kidding me?

SPEAKER_02 1:52

The way you said that makes it sound like we're just getting out there, and we are.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

We are with the guests. Yeah, and if listeners, if you've skipped forward a little bit, you need to go a little bit back and take a listen to that. Because I like I said before, just those different perspectives uh that we get from all of our guests, because we're kind of like, hey, if you're willing to be on our show, come on, we'll have a talk.

SPEAKER_01 2:14

Damn right, damn right. I guess I was gonna say you missed our dearly beloved Kirsten, but she's not a guest, she's family. That's true.

SPEAKER_02 2:22

She's not a guest. Yeah. She wasn't, you know, I have ways to title the episodes, and she wasn't the the guest. Yeah, her spirit's always been with the podcast. She's right here on our backpacks on this poster, all of our guests or picture all of our guests sign, and also the photo of us standing in front of Yellowstone's National Park Science. She is uh she is part of the fellowship.

SPEAKER_00 2:44

I think she was probably our hardest get because I didn't think she would ever come on here to talk with us, idiots.

SPEAKER_02 2:50

It was Kirsten, LRWP, and Akers, and we managed to get one of them, one of them, the other two, if you're listening, we're trying.

SPEAKER_04 3:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:03

Well, I am Travis White. That there is my pal Bradley Greer. Brad, I feel like we've grown a little bit closer in Patty's absence over these. Because honestly, I think we had a little conversation. Like, how do we really think we can sit face to face and talk to each other for an hour and a half?

SPEAKER_02 3:22

You guys did so fun. It was so farting fun. You covered so many different things. I was telling Travy off air. It's like when Travis zigged, you zigged right along with him. When you zagged, Travis zagged right along with you. So it was uh it was a very fun listen. You guys held down the fort uh very well. I didn't get mad at him once.

SPEAKER_00 3:42

He didn't he didn't not record. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Amazing. It was very smooth aberration. We got started a little late because we were having such a fun time then.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

Yeah, we we realize when we're not down in the dungeon studio, as we call it, and you see daylight and it's summertime and the sun's still out at eight o'clock at night, we don't we lose track of time.

SPEAKER_00 4:06

Yeah, yeah, we kind of were trying to do some bird research that amounted to absolutely nothing.

SPEAKER_02 4:11

That's kind of fun though, because I imagine that if you're out in the sun like you're you're like right now in this dungeon studio, it feels like it could be 2 a.m. Yeah, it could being out in the sun like you know, the sun kind of vibins you up a little bit. So I wonder if there's a different attitude that you guys came with because uh well, not that you don't ever have that attitude, but it was fun, dude. It was a fun listen. That was my first time first time. Listen to just you two take the helm, and it was a pleasure. So how many how many thumbs we get in? I'll give you two thumbs. I'll give you one and a half thumbs. Oh uh because you I looked up on our transcript how many times you guys use negative terms to describe the horseshoe crab, and it was like seven. Seven times you called it terrifying or menacing or something on those lines. Oh, well, hang on here. I'm a sea creature lover.

SPEAKER_01 5:01

We followed up with, but it's not harmless at all.

SPEAKER_00 5:04

Right. I understand. Right. I just want to make sure if anybody doesn't know, uh we have Patrick uh back in the studio after his yeah, his uh what'd you call it in Austerich uh Wundfahrt? Uh toward the Austria? Yeah, Yorlehihu in there.

SPEAKER_02 5:27

Yeah, that's for sure. I didn't do any Jodlehi Hu in then, but I did buy a wool hat uh from from uh from Germany. Did it have a feather in it? No, it's up there. It's hitting right there, you see. Yeah, yeah, that's very nice. I put it on. There it is, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:42

Uh Patrick has uh uh quite the circumference.

SPEAKER_01 5:47

Yeah. Oh, so it might fit me. I'm a seven and five eighths or whatever. That's what I am. Yeah, bro. Oh, nice. So we can share so we can share it. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 5:55

Hey, you said you didn't do any yodeling? I didn't do any yodeling, but we did do a lot.

SPEAKER_00 6:00

What about the big horn? Recall. Didn't do the big horn. Well, I have uh, because last episode I did some drive-by culture. Yeah. And I made the assumption that Austrians Yodelehu. Well, lucky for me, that assumption was correct. And I do have some facts.

SPEAKER_01 6:19

Go ahead and play in. Post-Austrian trip facts.

SPEAKER_00 6:24

Although what we know as yodeling or what we know as yodeling now here in this in the States, uh, it's actually been a part of many cultures throughout history. And uh I guess they said like ancient history, but I'm like, how do you know they were yodelers? Like you can't dig up a sound.

SPEAKER_01 6:45

Oh yeah. The sound waves recorded on a rock as it was lava from a volcanic explosion.

SPEAKER_00 6:51

African pygmies to the Persians to Chinese mountain musicians uh've had some form of yodeling.

SPEAKER_01 6:59

It had to have been like a written account of an attack or something.

SPEAKER_00 7:04

Yeah, I think it's just kind of a system to be able to communicate across vast distances and like valleys that'll echo through the mountains and stuff. But we're most familiar with the alpine yodeling, and uh and that's because all of the German, Swiss, and Austrian immigrants that came over here to the U the US, well, they they didn't leave their yodeling behind. Nobody would leave their yodeling behind. It's been a big influence on our folk music and country music and even African American music. So it's kind of a pretty big deal, the Yodel. Is that polka? Does Polka stuff from that?

SPEAKER_01 7:45

That's like Polish. Well, I mean, that's just a little different. A little different. What's the thing that Weird Owl plays with the keyboard and the accordion? Uh yeah, it is an accordion, right? Yeah, duh. Yeah. Don't question that. That's polka. That's Polish, right? I don't know. Now Polka? Now he doesn't know. What was the trains, plants, and automobiles? Wasn't John Candy in a polka?

SPEAKER_02 8:06

No, it was Home Alone.

SPEAKER_01 8:07

Oh, that's right.

SPEAKER_02 8:09

The polka you may have heard of us.

SPEAKER_01 8:10

Oh, yeah, he was a shower ring salesman. Yeah, yeah. Sorry, sorry, Travis.

SPEAKER_00 8:18

But uh the reason it's kind of popular culture, uh, one reason is the sound of music. Yes. Uh movie. And another reason is because of a guy named Cliff, the Yodeling Mountain Climber from The Price is Right.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

Oh, which we shouted out in the episode. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 8:36

Yeah. I guess his name is actually Cliff.

SPEAKER_01 8:38

That's awesome. Climbing a cliff.

SPEAKER_00 8:40

And uh Ricola, because is that Yodeling? Because I thought that was just like a horn that they blew. It is that's not Yodeling.

SPEAKER_03 8:48

No, I wouldn't imagine that's Yodeling. It can't be.

SPEAKER_00 8:51

I don't think that. I don't think that's something that's a good one. I'm not gonna confirm nor deny it. Now that's a drive-by culture. Hey, clack, clock, clack. But I did have one question at the end of that. That's all the uh yodeling history I have. But did you how did you drink any milk while you're over there?

SPEAKER_02 9:07

I didn't drink milk. We ate a lot of cheese, ate a lot of meats. Dairy good? Uh, dude, everything there. The food was fantastic. Sean, Sean, being my brother, uh, who is a fantastic chef, chef himself, really dives into the food culture in these countries. So you just kind of follow him around wherever he stops, you buy something too, and it's fan, it's fan fucking taste.

SPEAKER_00 9:31

Yeah, it would be nice to have a little like somebody with you that'd be like, you want to eat this.

SPEAKER_02 9:37

Yeah, the first restaurant we stopped at less than like 30 minutes into galling was a two Michelin star joint. Damn. I mean, it was it's just the food there was was great, yeah. Absolutely. No, no milk though. I would that a lot of beer.

SPEAKER_00 9:52

When I get to uh cow country in Europe, I'm first thing I'm gonna do is buy a probably a warm, fresh, warm glass milk.

SPEAKER_01 10:01

It's probably raw, right? Yeah, but pasteurized.

SPEAKER_02 10:04

We did do a couple trails and there were cows just kind of wandering the trail with you and also horses. So you'd just be sitting there in a in a lake or hiking a trail, and there you'll just come across like three or four horses walking right next to you, or cows.

SPEAKER_01 10:18

That happened in Costa Rica with the cows. Yeah, a lot of cows. Yeah, very cool. Awesome. Hey, oh, was that too soon? No, hell no. I'm not gonna tell why.

SPEAKER_02 10:27

Patrick gets fired. I'm looking back, dude. And I've been waiting on this uh this newsspam. Spit it out, Brad. Yeah, do it.

SPEAKER_01 10:34

I mean and this is one that we listened to nine inch nails prior to this thing, dude. I'm fucking juiced. This is one that's gonna get oh shit. I can't think of a good saying. You're gonna get all riled up about this one in a good way.

SPEAKER_02 10:47

Oh, yeah. I like getting riled up in a good way. Maybe we'll see. Oh, fuck, Brad.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

That's that's not good.

SPEAKER_02 10:53

That's a one, two, three, three.

SPEAKER_01 10:57

Well, it involves a bit of legislation. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:00

Yay.

SPEAKER_01 11:00

The Senate Committee on Energy and Natural Resources unanimously passed the America of the Beautiful Act, which, if passed by both houses of Congress, would reauthorize the National Parks and Public Land Legacy Restoration Fund. No.

SPEAKER_02 11:18

This is a good story.

SPEAKER_01 11:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 11:20

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 11:21

Sort of.

SPEAKER_02 11:22

For the most Brad, quit doing that. For the most part. Okay. Where's the new are you going to start with the negative or end with the negative?

SPEAKER_01 11:29

So this fund that I mentioned with the long name, the Legacy Restoration Fund, was initially created in 2020 under the Great American Outdoors Act, which I think I remember that passing because it was like during COVID, and it was one thing that they could pass and like hang their hat on, say, like, we at least we passed this bill. And um, but that bill lapsed in 2025, or the funding for it lapsed in 2025. And so this new bill would renew the funding until 2031. The the legislation was introduced by Senator Steve Daines of Montana and Angus King of Maine, and it has 63 Senate co-sponsors. So you would think 100 senators, this has a good chance of passing. If 63 of them co-sponsor. Was this bipartisan? Did you say that?

SPEAKER_02 12:18

Okay, okay.

SPEAKER_01 12:19

Because the the uh committee, the energy and natural resources committee unanimously passed it, and all committees are split between parties. Yeah. The bill itself invests $1.9 billion a year in infrastructure and stewardship products on public lands and extends and strengthens one of the most successful conservation programs created under the Great American Outdoors Act that was enacted in 2020. So one of the reasons I'm kind of it's a good thing, but I'm bummed about it is this the purpose of this is to tackle the 40 estimated $43 billion maintenance backlog on public lands that's across several air several agencies like US Forest Service, BLM, national parks, like all, like all federal public lands.

SPEAKER_00 13:11

I feel like that number is probably so inflated. It's so insane because everybody wants to get their money and be like, we need this much. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:20

And some and like some detractors of the bill, which I like, I'll say, even like searching, if you search this America the Beautiful Act, you'll see articles from Theodore Roosevelt Conservation Association, National Autobahn Society, Meat Eater, uh, backcountry hunters and anglers. You'll see everybody like kind of supporting this, but then they all kind of admit there are drawbacks, like this still isn't enough, and there's not a good system to because it's so many different agencies that need this, and we're talking like repairing roads, um, updating facilities, bathrooms, showers, basic infrastructure, yeah. Yeah, and and then also access. So like land access. Say put a boat ramp into a lake so you can finish your recreation. Trails and stuff like that, too. And and and we're talking trails for hiking, hunting, sometimes like uh snowmobile, you know, whatever, whatever the area of recreational use anything that the people want in that area. Yeah. So like this does do a the good thing is is these places won't have to use other funds to do repairs. Now they have this extra money that's gonna come in still to do repairs, but there's still a huge backlog, and nobody really knows, like Travis said, nobody really does know exactly what the cost of catching everything up is.

SPEAKER_00 14:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:42

So it's only gonna put a dent into it. But it's still a great thing that like we're at least gonna like out of all the hits that national parks and everything trying to sell public lands has taken, at least it's a good thing that this is being extended. There was a lapse for a year.

SPEAKER_00 14:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:59

But as long as it passes, the fact that it's gonna be extended 1.9 billion a year, it's it's good.

SPEAKER_02 15:05

Yeah, I guess kind of two points that I'm taking from it is one, I agree with you. Like it's something. Like I know it's not the whole cake, but I think you kind of start somewhere, you you work, you kind of chip away at it and you get to the goal that you're you're trying to get to eventually. Yeah. Hopefully. And then also that it was unanimous and a bipartisan between multiple different committees. That to me is a is a good sign that like the same Travis, you've said it a lot of times in this podcast of the national parks are just something everybody can get behind because everybody enjoys nature in some regard. Right. And I think for kind of a few months now, if not a few years now, we've seen a lot of tearing away from that. That's made me question that. Like, do we everybody really care about?

SPEAKER_00 15:56

That little bit of tearing away that you know has been going on throughout our history. I agree, but that's why we have to continue to keep to fight for, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:06

Right, exactly. And the and this is a clear sign because it's bipartisan. So that's kind of the two points I would take away. Like, this is a positive thing.

SPEAKER_01 16:14

Like, not everything, but positive. Yeah. One of the things that pisses me off is that most of this funding is coming from leases from public lands. Which not that that's a bad thing. Can I say that one more time? The the 1.9 billion a year is coming from money brought in from leases on public lands. Like mining leases, mining, grazing, oil. Yeah. Like say um a bunch of wind farms, what are they called? Like the turbine, wind turbines, right? Like whatever it is, um, foresting. And that's been going on forever. I mean, and like that's that's definitely something that because there's a lot of public land that isn't really good for recreating, but it may have a resource on it that can be used.

SPEAKER_00 17:03

And some of it's not necessarily bad, like foresting and um I I don't really like the idea of big windmills that you know, but yeah. I guess if it's an area that nobody goes or visits or whatever, I guess whatever.

SPEAKER_01 17:19

But it's also like I like I'd be happy if my taxpayer dollars went towards this as well, and they could like double that or make like instead of paying for all the like a lot of the other war like wars or whatever, yeah. Um put some taxpayer dollars to it. I agree with that as well. Uh, and they are also raising non-U.S. citizen entry to national parks, and that money's dread. And that's the thing is like a lot of this money can only be used for these specific things, yeah. Like maintenance and everything. So that's good.

SPEAKER_02 17:51

That is good. They lock those tight? Yeah, I think it's like the Dingle Johnson.

SPEAKER_01 17:55

It sounds pretty tight. Yeah. That is good. And that's why, like, if you search this, that's why like all these conservation groups are behind it. Like, yeah, like it's it's definitely something. Like, we need it. It's better than nothing.

SPEAKER_00 18:07

Public land or national park legislation always seems like it well, since we've been paying attention, it always seems like it's something that we never even hear about because it never makes national news. But um, it seems like it kind of passes, but there's I'm sure there's some junk in there that's just like, all right, son of a gun. But but it's seems fairly clean for the most part.

SPEAKER_01 18:31

Like the one thing I'm uh nervous about, they were trying to get this passed by July 4th, because they were like, what better way to celebrate the country than to protect like the icons of the nation, you know, like our most beautiful places. But but there is like a stalemate going on in Congress right now with the Save America Act, I think, where like Trump says he's not signing any bill until Congress passes the Save America Act. But I don't know how, you know, who the who the hell knows like what's actually gonna happen. So they're they're trying to push this through.

SPEAKER_02 19:05

And I think they're live on the positive side of this one.

SPEAKER_01 19:08

It sounds like everybody's pretty optimistic. I mean, eventually it's gonna, I think, go through. Because I think even if the president vetoes it, like a two-thirds majority vote can still pass it. Yeah. Because Congress controls budgets. That's like one of the main things they do. Um so I think we should be good to go.

SPEAKER_02 19:23

Hey, I feel good. Yeah, that's a positive news panther, in my opinion. Oh, hey, oh, hey, hey, yeah. Thanks for giving me a positive news story on my on my uh uh introduction.

SPEAKER_00 19:34

You're welcome set episode. Yeah, yeah. I have high confidence that it's gonna continue.

SPEAKER_02 19:40

Dude, I like anything that puts anything forward. Like, I don't care. Like it I understand that we're not gonna get 100% of the pie right away. I'm fine with that. I understand the bureaucracy that goes on and convincing hundreds, if not thousands, of people to do to do one thing. Yeah, like that's tough. It's tough to get take five people on a vacation for Christ's sake. So I just I I I understand, but like any small thing that goes towards this sort of thing, saving these beautiful, this beautiful country for my son and then his kids and all the way down the line. Yeah, anything there I'm gonna be supportive of.

SPEAKER_01 20:21

I will say it's been pretty cool with the World Cup being here, seeing like I've seen a couple videos of like there was this one British chap who was in some park or public land, like on top of a mountain with like a lake behind him. Yeah, and he's just like, What the fuck is this? Like you can come you can come out here every weekend. There's places like this all over America, yeah. And you don't you don't go into the pub on the weekend isn't the only thing you can do. You can drive for days. I've seen days.

SPEAKER_02 20:50

I've seen Ashley got me kicked. I wasn't watching much of it, wasn't paying attention. And Ashley said that like kind of the unity between all the countries and our people have just been like this masterful, like everybody's just enjoying what America has to offer in every regard, and everybody's treating each other wonderfully.

SPEAKER_00 21:09

And I love that they say Americans are so kind and all that, you know. We have great hospitality, yeah, and that's what I've we forgot because of all of this shit. Like, most Americans are wonderful fucking people. I agree, I agree, and uh, we have a great country, and I think we all should be very happy with that.

SPEAKER_02 21:31

We have 150, dude. I saw this meme, or Ashley told me about this meme, then I looked at it. It's like it says that it's uh having all these other countries here is like we got to see our long lost cousins. Yeah, and it's just a party.

SPEAKER_03 21:44

Like we just hang out. I think Scottish and Irish people just in Boston.

SPEAKER_01 21:50

Yeah, we are still cool. Like no matter what you hear, we're still cool.

SPEAKER_02 21:53

Hey, season nine. Well, we're the last episode of season nine, bro. Fourth of July, season nine. Coming to an end. And I, like we did last season, have a little bit of a trivia. It's not a little bit, it's a lot of bit of trivia for you guys going over the last nine episodes of the season because I obviously didn't trivia you for this episode. So happy to be back. Love it. I also enjoyed that you guys had an arbitrary moment of silence for me and then played the Friends theme song. This has been going on forever, but happy to get into this. Happy to trivia you. Let's go, dudes.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

Yes. I did also say you could be my captain anytime. You did say it, dude. That's true. I am the captain now.

SPEAKER_02 22:47

We're back. Patty's hosting a little trivia, season recap, and I'm having fun. Back in the studio, we started recording at five o'clock, which is a bit earlier than what we normally record. And Patty, paddle daddy Patty, has had a couple extra beers. Brad. El Capitan. He's fired up. Fired up. Fourth of July weekend, long one. Just got back from vacay in another country. And I got trivia, which is my favorite thing to do with you guys.

SPEAKER_01 23:15

He knows his boy Brad's about to win around to trivia.

SPEAKER_02 23:18

Well, this is, unlike most of my other trivias, this is in fact scored. So you guys will keep it. Oh, this one is scored. We have plenty of bonus questions.

SPEAKER_01 23:28

I have our names on my scoreboard to tally up our points. There we go.

SPEAKER_02 23:32

We have plenty of bonus questions throughout these if we have time. I'm going to check in with you, Brad, every now and again. Because as is, we have 18 questions with the bonus questions. Oh damn. That's probably like eight or nine more. So I think we should just get right into this.

SPEAKER_01 23:46

Yeah, my last trivia was 10 questions.

SPEAKER_02 23:48

Well, we're going to move. We're going to move. We also do uh nine episodes before this trivia, and I do two questions each episode. So that gives us the grand total of 18 without bonus questions. All right. Episode 81, pack it or whack it. Okay. Strange, bizarre, or totally normal gear in 2026. During this episode's news panther, Bradley R enlightened us to the plight of the Florida manatee seeking warmer waters around old, outdated nuclear facilities. Yep. While explaining, he mentions the manatee doesn't actually have as much blubber as one would expect. Oh my. Being that they resemble a large plump sea cow. Which ocean dwelling animal carries the most blubber by thickness?

SPEAKER_01 24:42

This wasn't part of the news.

SPEAKER_02 24:45

No, this is just from it, and it's just fun. Yeah, it is fun. Uh a bowhead whale, B, right whale, C, humpback whale, or D elephant seal. Oh, is there a meal in there? A ratio to this just inches inches. Total. How many inches of blubber by thickness for ocean dwelling animal? A, bowhead whale, B, right whale, C, humpback whale, or D, elephant seal. Man.

SPEAKER_00 25:19

I'm really curious. I feel like I'm totally wrong, but well, you get to guess. This is a very interesting question, aren't you? Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 25:26

Okay, we got the answers. Travis guessed D, Brad guessed D. It is A, the bowhead whale.

SPEAKER_01 25:35

Bowhead. I kind of thought it'd be one I hadn't heard of.

SPEAKER_02 25:38

Averages about 17 to 20 inches of blubber. Number one, the right whales, number two, about 12 to 14 inches of blubber. Humpback whale, about 4.7 inches of blubber. And the elephant seal was something like smaller than that. I didn't actually write it down.

SPEAKER_00 25:58

I kind of knew I was wrong off the bat because he's talking about whales, but I've also never heard of these whales before. The first thing I thought of was like a big seal trying to get his ass up the beach with a seal.

SPEAKER_02 26:11

Well, okay, you didn't get that right, but I do have a bonus question for you. If you can tell me which, it's one point. If you can tell me which animal has the highest percentage of body fat, body weight that is fat. Okay, here's one grizzly bear, two, Miller moth, three, right whale, and four, the walrus. You are the walrus.

SPEAKER_00 26:36

So we went from A B C D to 1, 2, 3, 4.

SPEAKER_03 26:39

Yeah, I don't know, dude.

SPEAKER_02 26:40

I write these fast. Number four, Travis, walrus. Right whale. Number three, right whale, Brad. It is the Miller moth.

SPEAKER_01 26:55

I knew it should have been the moth.

SPEAKER_02 26:57

Up to roughly 72% of its weight is body fat. The next one is right whale. No, it's uh well, yeah, I guess it is before it turns into something. Larva. Yeah. Pre-post larva, pre. No, that's post that's is what it turns into.

SPEAKER_00 27:16

We need to have uh we need to contact a butterfly.

SPEAKER_02 27:18

Anyway, up to 72% of its weight is body fat. That's a lot. All right, number two for episode one, pack it or whack it, strange bazilic.

SPEAKER_00 27:32

They're just like tons of nutrition. Yeah, I bet. But he said a moth. Yeah, I did. Yeah. Grubs, moss. This is a grub with a wing in it. Yeah. Kind of. I guess.

SPEAKER_02 27:43

Or totally number gear in 2026. We covered many of the strangest, funniest, or bizarre gear for 2026 during this episode. From the fan favorite bumper dumper to the couple of ways us booze hounds can get our fix out on the trails. So I got curious. If you guys had to choose one or the other, which would it be? This is for no points. This is just opinion news. Yep, that's right. So far, you guys have zero points. Would you guys choose the bumper dumper or the glow in the dark toilet paper? You don't have to do the timer. I'm just asking for your opinions. Bumper dumper. Bumper dumper? Far more practical. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 28:26

Bumper dumper.

SPEAKER_02 28:27

Bumper dumper? Okay. Number two, B. Glow in the dark. Glow in the dark TP?

SPEAKER_00 28:32

I kind of think that'd be cool. The bumper dumper helps you 24-7. Except for the glow in the dark toilet paper really only provides its benefit.

SPEAKER_01 28:41

At night, I want to make sure it's always I know where it is. And if it's glow in the dark, I'll know where it is. At least you have a bumper dumper.

SPEAKER_00 28:48

You don't need to know.

SPEAKER_01 28:50

It's on the back of the truck.

SPEAKER_03 28:51

There is my butthole.

SPEAKER_01 28:53

Not a dark toilet paper. 10 miles in the backcountry. That's not going to do the good.

SPEAKER_02 28:57

Would you guys rather the man can portable single wall beer keg or Pat's dehydrated IPA? Beer keg. Beer keg? Uh, how far are we going? Well, that's kind of that's why I chose these two because the bumper dumper is very much the parking lot or cruising down the road on your car. The uh uh glow in the dark toilet paper is more for the trail. The keg is more for, in my opinion, you're sitting lot. Yeah, you're the parking lot.

SPEAKER_01 29:26

And then the uh dehydrated beers for backpacking. I'm thinking put that keg in a yeti with ice and it'll be there when you get off the trail.

SPEAKER_02 29:32

Golly, you're speaking.

SPEAKER_01 29:33

Oh why I had this thing where I'd rather, if I if it's if I'm gonna hass af eat or drink something, if I'm not gonna do the whole like the real deal, I'm not gonna do it at all. I don't need beer on the trail.

SPEAKER_02 29:45

Yeah, but I do need beer after the trailer. I took Pats though. I did take Pats. I think we talked about this before, and I gotta tell you, haven't my buddy had the had the thing, the the glass, the carbonation thing that comes with, and it was pretty farting nice, and you are getting a pretty stiff stout or an IPA. Did you get some nice uh brickwater? It was it was like a smaller creek. Yeah, sure. All right, episode 82. Let's take a ride on the magic school bus with Mr. Burnworth. Nice. In this episode, we had the pleasure of conversing with my high school bioteacher and college professor, Mr. Dr. Jabin Burnworth. What a great guest and what a pleasure to go full circle to invite him into our, if you will, classroom. During our conversation, we spoke of a few of the accolades he has under his belt. One of them was netting a $10,000 grant to write a high school a new high school curriculum for a learning center. Where was this learning center? Was it A, Sleeping Bear Dunes National Park? Was it B, Indiana Dunes National Lakeshore? C, Hoosier National Forest, or D, Manisteer Manisty Huron National Forest. Same again, real quick. Okay, A. Sleeping Bear Dunes, B, Indiana Dunes, C, Hoosier National Forest, or D. Manisty Huron National Forest. Travy had B, Brad had B, you're right. It was Indiana Dunes National Lakeshore, and this happened in 2010 after Mr. Dr. J. Ben Burnworth joined Mary Lee's master's program in environmental education. I was paying attention. Nice. Mr. Burnworth, so was I. He was he's uh he's a great dude. All right, great job. So the it's one to one right now. Oh, yeah. Neck and neck. One to one, neck and neck. Question number two for episode eight.

SPEAKER_00 31:50

Am I using the permanent marker? Oh. No.

SPEAKER_03 31:54

Nope.

SPEAKER_02 31:55

All right. One of the questions I had for Mr. Burnworth was what is the perfect day outdoors for him? He answered this question by talking about walking around his friend Jerry's Land, a beautiful piece of 62 acres of which Jabin called pure gold. On Jerry's land, he mentioned one unique feature. What is the name of this feature? Is it A, wetland, B, Marsh, C, Deciduous Forest, or D fen.

SPEAKER_01 32:33

I wrote the wrong word. I'm gonna say my initial, I almost said it out loud when you asked that.

SPEAKER_02 32:40

Worms up. D fen and marsh. Brad got it right. It is D fen. What's Fen? A fen, glad you asked, is a type of soggy, water logged land that accumulates peat or dead and decaying plant material. Fens are often home to rare plants, insects, and small mammals.

SPEAKER_01 33:04

Remember when he said he would like if you like jumped on the land, it's squishy.

SPEAKER_02 33:14

It's waterlogged soil. My dude Pete.

SPEAKER_00 33:17

My dude Pete. Hey, I watched a short documentary about a man that harvests peat to uh for firewoods. People to, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 33:28

He's I actually watched that same thing. Yeah, it was actually really neat. Yeah, super cute. All right, episode 83. Memories over miles. There's no prize for first. Memories over miles was an episode we put together in hopes of giving people of all shapes, sizes, ages, and abilities the gumption to get outdoors, to get on the trail, and experience the beauty of nature. In the beginning, the news panther went back to his roots with a bit of a throwback style. What is the throwback style I am referring to? Was it A, use the original News Panther roar? Do you guys remember that? Because it was so grumbly. Like it was just loud, terrifying. Oh, I don't. Was it B? Travy did the News Panther. C went over two stories. Or D, a 45-minute News Panther leaving no time for the rest of the episode.

SPEAKER_01 34:31

Oh man, that is a tough one.

SPEAKER_00 34:33

Well, as curated as our podcast is, I can't imagine that happening.

SPEAKER_01 34:41

What was the episode name?

SPEAKER_02 34:43

Uh use the A was Use the Original News Pan. Which episode was it? Uh episode 83, Memories Over Miles. There's no fur prize for first. Oh, that's right. Yep. Okay. I think I got it. All right. Boards up. C. Brad. I can't tell anymore. B uh Travi. It is C. Hell yeah. He went over two stories in this News Panther, which is something we haven't done since, I believe, season six. The end of season six.

SPEAKER_03 35:23

In this News Panther, Brad. Is that the first time Brad ever did two stories? No.

SPEAKER_02 35:29

Are these part of podcasts from the very beginning once he took it over? Oh, you forgot about that. News Panther. And then Brad took it over, I think the the episode after Brad took it over. And he did two all the way up to, I believe it was season end of season six. And then and then realized this isn't sustainable to always find two.

SPEAKER_03 35:51

What made us think that we needed two? Pretty late. Pretty late into our game. Probably because we were scared of the game.

SPEAKER_01 35:57

And then it would take up 45 minutes at the end.

SPEAKER_02 36:01

In this uh newspanther, Brad or Walt and Brad covered the aggressive bear activity on Ram Ramsey Cascade Trail in the Smoky Mountains. Yep. And 600 acres being donated to Smoky Mountain National Park from that dude. The dude's untime or very or whatever. Anyway, I didn't like this question that much, but I thought it was kind of funny as I went through. After we're still on episode 83. After we were done recording this episode, I felt pretty bad, like I was alienating people from doing what they love. If you guys remember, I was going a little bit ham on fast people. This was not my intention whatsoever. I did not mean to put people down, but I meant to lift people up. One of the issues I had with my performance during the recording was my use of curse words. How many times during this recording did I use the word fuck? Patty doing housekeeping rights? How many times during the recording of this episode did I use the word fuck? Was it four? Was it seven? Fifteen or twenty?

SPEAKER_00 37:05

Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 37:08

Say that those numbers again.

SPEAKER_02 37:10

Okay, A4, B7, C15, D20. How many times did I use the word fuck during episode 83? Um what was the episode name?

SPEAKER_03 37:30

Memories over miles, there's no prize for the first.

SPEAKER_00 37:33

Yeah, man. You got aggressive on the on the chill episode.

SPEAKER_02 37:39

Okay. Travis had seven, Brad had seven, the answer is seven. Yeah. I said fuck seven times. A little too much. Although, as I was doing this question, I've counted. I've used the word fuck six times, so fuck fuck. And now we're at eight. But it's okay because you used it in context. Thank you very much. Bonus point during this. If you can tell me the word I use when I try not to say the word fuck.

SPEAKER_01 38:11

I think that's an easy one. Fartin.

SPEAKER_02 38:15

Be Fartin. I think that's farting. That's right. That's a bonus point. You get a bonus point.

SPEAKER_01 38:22

But I put the apostrophe in, fartan.

SPEAKER_02 38:24

Well, I say fart. I'll say fartin. I'll say wouldn't that be fucking? Oh yeah, true. Who cares? You got a point. What's the score? We're on episode 84. It is two to what?

SPEAKER_01 38:37

Two to four.

SPEAKER_00 38:38

I got a bonus point. I don't think two, so I have three. Oh, three to five? Four. You have four. Three to four.

SPEAKER_02 38:48

I have five. Three to four. Three to five. Three to four. Who cares? Episode 84, migration season unpacked. BWIAB, Indiana Dunes, and more. Big Big Burden episode of the year. Now, firstly, we had an overall wonderful time at both the BWIAB and the Indiana Dunes during our migration season. And nothing said during this episode is meant to be a reflection of the event itself. Because I also went a little bit of ham on this. And since I'm apologizing, we're going to keep that going. Yeah, Pat, you shouldn't apologize for people being rude. That's true. I just wanted to make sure that it wasn't the event themselves that I blame for this. It was stupid people, stupid people everywhere. And so during Travis intro, he referred to the BWIAB with a different title. And Brad and I both agreed the name should stick. What was the name that Travy J gave to the BWIAB? What he thinks it should be. Was it A? I don't even remember that. The Great American Bird Blitz. Was it B, Featherfest America? C, Tweet Week USA, or D, Warbler Stock 2026. Oh, I don't even remember that. It is so fun listening to the or what reading these transcripts.

SPEAKER_00 40:12

I think it's that, but I'm not sure. All right. Oh man.

SPEAKER_02 40:16

You guys are thinking bobbers up. D, D? It is D. Warbler Stock 2026. What was A?

SPEAKER_01 40:24

I was thinking it was A.

SPEAKER_02 40:25

Great American Bird Blitz. Yeah. That was that was fun reading the transcript and listening to the episode. We both there was about a half a second where we were like, yep, that's what it should be. That should be that. All right, number two for episode 84. A great majority of our time during this year's spring migration was spent at Maggie Marsh. More specifically, the boardway, the boardwalk at Maggie Marsh. The boardwalk is often celebrated as one of North America's premier bird watching destinations, especially for viewing neotropical songboard birds and warblers during their spring migration. How many species of birds have been documented on or near the Maggie Marsh boardwalk? Was it A 150? B 200 C 2703 or D 300. Was this a fact that was stated on that podcast? They even have a board that during the migration of all the birds that have been caught there. Did we talk about it?

SPEAKER_01 41:29

And it's on the eBird hotspot.

SPEAKER_02 41:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:32

Yep. This is according to their website, by the way. Okay. Yeah. Oh man, I may be wrong.

SPEAKER_02 41:38

I'm probably wrong. All right. Show the boards. C and C. It is C. 270 species have been known to be seen.

SPEAKER_00 41:50

I felt like 300 was a little too on the nose.

SPEAKER_02 41:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 41:54

That brought her down.

SPEAKER_02 41:55

All right. This is going to be a rough one, but I do have a bonus point question. I mentioned neotropics. Bonus point if you can name the four continents or countries. They're called bio. Yeah, fuck it. Let's not. Big difference between continents and countries. Let's go to 85. Episode 85. Fuck the bonus point. Now I've definitely reached my goal of fucks for this episode, which was my plan. Sharing space with nature, a conservation, a conversation with urban wildlife biologist Jessica Merkling. Jessica was an amazing guest to have on the podcast and will remain a close friend of the pod for years to come. We had tons of questions for her, and she helped us shed light on the fight between urban and natural landscapes. A bit of a side tangent we had pertained to how many and which states defined their wildlife departments as DNRs or Department of Natural Resources. While all 50 states have a wildlife department, how many states title them Department of Natural Resources or DNR? Is it A5B9C12 D15?

SPEAKER_01 43:09

I specifically brought this up. Yeah, I know. Because it's something, it's like a hobby of mine. And you so you would think I would know the answer to this.

SPEAKER_02 43:18

All right. Damn, that was quick. I didn't even get done with a full drink of this chacho. Uh Brad guesses C12, Travy guesses A5. The answer is B9. There are nine states. We split it.

SPEAKER_00 43:35

I kind of thought it would be a low number because I heard like the Texas Department of whatever it was. It sounded really cool.

SPEAKER_01 43:41

It was all Midwest states.

SPEAKER_02 43:43

Yeah, well, ish. So it's not. I got a little bit of run through just so we can clarify this. Nine states declare it the Department of Natural Resources Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Ohio, South. Carolina and Wisconsin. South Carolina. Just to keep going further, some places call it the Department of Fish and Game. And those are eight states to call it that. Alaska, Arizona, Idaho, New Hampshire, New Mexico, North Dakota, Wyoming, Arkansas. And then we also have the Department of Fish and Wildlife, which is California, Delaware, Florida, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Oregon, Vermont, and Washington.

SPEAKER_01 44:29

Yeah. That's the biggest one, right?

SPEAKER_02 44:31

Well, yeah, because then the other states are like a different rendition of that, or they've added like parks to it or something more.

SPEAKER_00 44:38

Yeah, I think there's different departments. Because Indiana DNR includes a bunch of stuff, even the law enforcement side of it. That's right. But I don't does like say California wildlife and that's the same exact thing.

SPEAKER_02 44:52

Oh, it all does the same. So the name when it was the early 1800s or 1800s itself when they started declaring these departments to be these. And the reason why some of the states, they're they're called like the grandfather states or something like that, they kept those eight of them kept fish and game because it was originally made to preserve hunting game and things that people would fish for. But then over time, towards the mid-1800s, we started loving animals and wanting animals to not be wiped out. So now you have these departments kind of switch their name to encompass everything, and that's wildlife. So anywhere those places are, they all do the same thing. They're just called something different if they've decided to evolve. Okay. Nice. Yes. Wow, Patrick, thank you for that. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 45:37

You're welcome. I can't wait to tell somebody that when I'm drunk two years from now.

SPEAKER_00 45:42

In the same exact way.

SPEAKER_02 45:45

Question number two, episode 85, sharing space with nature, a conversation with urban wildlife biologist Jessica Merkling. We got to talking a little bit about invasive species during this episode. Species like coyotes, deer, and Canada geese. Jessica told us for six years part of her job was to write depredation tags for Canadian geese so people could remove them from their property. We also got to talking about the invasive mute swan. And although they are beautiful birds, they do a lot of harm to its environment. And another native species of bird, they are very hard on. What did Jessica say the mute what species of bird did Jessica say the mute swan is very hard on? Was it A? The Trumper swine.

SPEAKER_01 46:36

I think you're saying that weird.

SPEAKER_02 46:38

Sorry. A the Trumpeter swine. B, the Northern Cardinal, C, the Great Blue Heron, or D, the red-tailed hawk.

SPEAKER_01 46:52

I got I wrote down which one I think it's hard on.

SPEAKER_02 46:58

All right. Travis guesses C, the great blue heron. Yes. And Brad guesses A, the Trumper Swan. Brad gets that right. The Trumper Swan is a native to this area. The mute swan is not, and it's wreaking havoc on both its uh environment and the bird itself.

SPEAKER_00 47:18

And who knew the guy who's been spending all of his savings to travel the world to see all the birds? Knew that before. I got some coming.

SPEAKER_01 47:28

Don't be so frustrated. And who pays attention during the episode?

SPEAKER_02 47:33

All right, guys. We are on episode 86. Good news from the wild, conservation and Colonel Lieber. Oh boy. During the introduction of this episode, Travy J talked about his experience putting the 1965 Grumman canoe on top of his pristinely painted truck. And he spoke of the disappointment he had with his choice of tie-down at the bow of the boat. He recommended listeners to be sure they have the proper tie-downs or a handy friend to tie a wicked trucker's hitch. What did Travi call Bradley, referring to his helpful hand? You never know what's it the master knotter? A. The artisan of knots, B, the master of rope and rigging, C, or D, the noble knotsman.

SPEAKER_04 48:32

There's three out of three out of the four.

SPEAKER_03 48:35

That question took so many turns. I had no idea what so fun. All right.

SPEAKER_02 48:41

Uh Travi got guess P, which is not a letter. I'm gonna go with D on that.

SPEAKER_00 48:46

Yeah, that's definitely D, the Noble Knotsman.

SPEAKER_02 48:48

Brad guess D, the Noble Knotsman. You are entirely correct. It is the Noble Knotzman. Nicely played.

SPEAKER_00 48:55

That I remember because I feel like it is an official title. Oh. At least in my heart. It's in the ranking system now. Noble nonstop. Here's an opportunity.

SPEAKER_01 49:06

My next level's knighted knotsman.

SPEAKER_02 49:09

Here's an opportunity for a bonus point, y'all. While the total number of theoretical or mathematical knots is considered infinite, there are roughly how many distinct varieties of knots according to like some guides, like the important guides.

SPEAKER_01 49:27

I thought you're gonna say Ashley's book of knots? I thought you're gonna say I thought you were gonna say according to some guy.

SPEAKER_02 49:33

No. While the number of knots is theoretically or mathematically considered infinite, there are roughly how many distinct varieties of knots? Are we talking like go ahead? Like your base knot. I don't want square knots. It's not gonna be your base knot. This is the hard bonus point. I want a number. There is no A, B, C, or D or one, two, three, or four. Oh, we're getting like this is closest to the on your own.

SPEAKER_01 49:59

Okay, a number of like base knots. Yeah, that's what I don't know if it's like uh Yeah. All knots. All knots.

SPEAKER_02 50:13

It's not. Okay. Brad has 78. Dravy has 4,000. Dravi is right. I guess it's close. The answer is just about 3,800 knots.

SPEAKER_00 50:29

And I know that because the I just bought because Amazon Prime Day got a good deal on the Ashley Book of Knots, which is some like pirate guy that wrote a big book and illustrated a book of knots.

SPEAKER_01 50:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:46

I put 4,000 because it I think on the on the front it says 4,000 illustrations of knots.

SPEAKER_02 50:54

That's a good guess, dude. Or not a good guess. That was good.

SPEAKER_01 50:57

I just held that book Friday, too. You held it, dude?

SPEAKER_00 51:00

That's like the not Bible, I feel like.

SPEAKER_02 51:03

All right. Episode 86, good news from the wild, conservation and Colonel Lieber. I spent the last portion of this episode spinning numbers and letters at you guys while I was highlighting, in my opinion, a massive conservation win in the world's oceans. This is because we have now designated 10% of the world's ocean into protected and conserved areas. As I am continuing to monitor the process of these huge goals for the world's oceans, I am setting my alarm for some time in early 2027. What is it that I am so excited to see when it comes out in early 2027? 2027? Is it A, the Global Biodiversity Assessment of 2027? That actually sounds very interesting. The Protected Planet Report of 2027. I'd like to hear that. C the Nature Preservation Status Report 2027, or D, the Stewardship of Living Earth 2027.

SPEAKER_01 52:14

I know.

SPEAKER_00 52:14

I'm surprised you didn't do the uh your abbreviation.

SPEAKER_02 52:19

You guys were losing in terms pretty quick after that. Okay, Travy J has B and Brad has A. Travy J has come up a notch. It is the Protected Planet Report of 2027.

SPEAKER_00 52:34

The last time we got a P R027.

SPEAKER_02 52:39

Yeah, dude, that was a fun thing. And I I cannot wait for this report to come out because I'm hoping that we climbed up another great amount of percentage. All right. I have six. Travis has eight. Six? No, backwards. Nine.

SPEAKER_01 52:54

Travis has Travis has six.

SPEAKER_02 52:56

Okay, so only a two-point difference with quite a few questions left. All right. Let's get on to the next one. Episode 87, y'all. Survival of the smartest trivia night with our beloved Miss Kirsten Whitcomb. Yes. Before we got into the famed News Panther segment of this episode, which both Walt and Travis used to talk about Travis's exploration of his backyard and all the living things in it. We went on a side tangent about the yearning Travy has for a new daily cowboy hat. This further led us this further led us into a tangent about racing. And more specifically, the race cars. I gave my top three race cars of all time. What were those three cars? Is this what is a driver? What are the names? The sponsors? How do we yeah? There you go.

SPEAKER_01 53:55

Is this not multiple choice? It's not the racer. Yeah, give me a second. I don't want it to be multiple choice.

SPEAKER_02 54:02

Okay. It's not multiple choice. You have to name them.

SPEAKER_00 54:06

Okay, your three NAS cars.

SPEAKER_02 54:10

My three favorite cars that I know.

SPEAKER_00 54:13

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 54:13

And they don't have to be in order. Just the three? Yep. All right. Uh I got mine.

SPEAKER_02 54:24

Okay. Ding. Travy J, show your board. Shit. I don't know. Okay. Travy J says DuPont, Miller, and Bud. Brad says Hardee's mellow and Good Wrench. You are both wrong. But it's from No, it's from Talladega Diets. Nope. Nope. You are closest. Because I remember him saying he liked Jeff Gordon. Oh no. It is Days of Thunder. Yeah, Days of Thunder. With Tom Cruise and Carrie Oze or whatever his name is. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Don't go through far into that. What the answer is A, the STP, Mellow Yellow, and Hardy's. The STP car with that baby blue back in the day. Richard Petty. Richard Petty the King was awesome. And you so you did have quite a few of those.

SPEAKER_01 55:22

That's like powder blue. That was a nice.

SPEAKER_02 55:24

Yeah, there you go. Okay, so those are my three, but you do have a bonus point here, okay?

SPEAKER_01 55:28

I don't get a bonus point for having two out there. I don't get anything, none of them.

SPEAKER_02 55:32

Jeff Gordon. You literally got them all right. Du Punk called it?

SPEAKER_01 55:35

Because we made fun of him for the Jeff Gordon thing. That's right. You said you love Jeff Gordon.

SPEAKER_02 55:40

Well, dude, he was he was huge back then. I mean, Jeff Gordon was winning everything till Jimmy Johnson. Jeremy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson is mass car history. Bonus point question. If you can name the drivers of each of my favorite cars, you have the STP, the mellow yellow car, and the Hardy's car, both from uh uh Days of Thunder.

SPEAKER_01 56:12

Um and we've said two of these names, right?

SPEAKER_02 56:15

You guys kept talking. I'm like, dude, shut it.

SPEAKER_01 56:18

Oh dude.

SPEAKER_02 56:19

Uh um, dude. I know. My guess is you guys are gonna get two out of the three easy. Yeah. And then the other one is just gonna be a guess. Um all right. I got I got something. Oh, man, Brad. Colton. Roddy, Roddy, Roddy, Piper, Roddy, dude. Petty, Trickle, and Hudson. That's what I had. You guys are both wrong. But Trav or Brad, you are extremely close. Uh, I kind of do want to give you a half point, but I'm not going to. Oh, man. The answer is the STP car was Richard the King Petty. Uh the Mellow Yellow car was Cole Trickle, which after all the hype of that movie coming out and how much fanfare that got, they Mellow Yellow ended up sponsoring a car in NASCAR. Was it Dick Trickle? That was driven by Kyle Petty. Oh, no shit. Oh, yeah, Kyle Petty drove that. And then the Hardy's car uh was a character named Russ Wheeler. And because of the hype of this, it became a sponsor in NASCAR, and the driver was Tommy Ellis. Um yeah.

SPEAKER_00 57:33

Uh not Bill Elliott.

SPEAKER_01 57:36

No, no, no, no, Bill Elliott. He was McDonald McDonald's. Elliot was? Yeah, I think for a minute. I kind of might know that too.

SPEAKER_04 57:45

That sounds right. That sounds right.

SPEAKER_02 57:47

All right, episode 87, survival of the smartest trivia night with Kirsten Whitcomb. One of the questions during this trivia episode had to do with the AC, the AT, the CDT, and the PCT, or the PCT and the NCT. Which uh, which was and which was which one was home, is home to the highest peak. One of the questions during this trivia episode had to do with the AT, the CDT, the PCT, and the NCT, and also which one was home to the highest peak? And explaining why Travi put down a certain answer, he used reasoning that was wrong, but oftentimes a big misunderstanding or mince mispronunciation of the actual trail. What mistake did Travi make during his explanation for this answer?

SPEAKER_01 58:44

Short answer.

SPEAKER_02 58:45

Was it a no a, based on Jonathan Cable's experience, the AT has the most elevation game, so it must have the highest peak. B, the continental divide means you'll always stay along a ridge, stay on a ridgeline, which it must include the highest peak. C, because the NCT is just a Midwest Trail, it wouldn't have any high peaks, or D, since PCT stands for Pacific Coast Trail, the trail is at sea level. Yeah. Oh you both got it. You both got it. Yeah. Since the PCT stands for Pacific Coast Trail, the trail is at high level, which for all of our listeners out there who might be thinking that same thing, it is a common misconception. Uh, I've heard that happen often, but it stands for the Pacific Crest Trail, not the Pacific Coast Trail. I can't kick it.

SPEAKER_00 59:42

So it's a much different uh because crest is such an odd, I mean, I understand it is a geological feature, right? But you don't hear a lot of trail names with that in it. Yeah, I get you. Except one of the four major ones. But I guess if you're cresting, you're hitting a peak, which probably is the highest one. There you go. And then you go down. Durr.

unknown 1:00:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:07

Durr. Just kidding. I don't know if I haven't known it.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:10

A few too many beers. Uh, when that question popped up.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:13

Let's move on. We're moving on. Well, and I'm liking this. Are you guys have like your guesses, whether or not what you got right out of all these? Send them our way, dude. I want to hear it. Uh.com. Episode six to eight still, right? Uh yeah, sure. I don't know. Is it?

SPEAKER_01 1:00:30

What's this? Six to eight. Uh, eight for me, six for Travis.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:34

All right. All right. Two points down. You have quite a few questions to be able to make it back, okay, sir. Oh, I'm not afraid. I'm not scared. Yeah. Straighten up. Okay. Put the coat on, zip it up. It's raining outside. Episode 88. The people behind the path with Chris Bradley and the Hoosier Hikers Council. As we introduced one of my favorite guests this season to shed light on a bit of the process of how hiking or back tra backpacking trails come to be, from concept to ribbon cutting, I made it a point to highlight just how many trails the Hoosier Hikers Council has had a hand in building from designing to blueprints to building and maintaining. Roughly how many trails does the HHC list on its website as having under their belts in the state of Indiana? And this is something that was a hard paragraph to read. Is it A8 B 13 C eighteen D24? All right. All right, you both have your answers in. Show your boards, dude. Alright, we got Brad with B. Travy with D. The answer is right in between. 18 trails. They have had a hand in building. Roughly 18, because I think some of them were listing some like different concepts, things. I don't know. Anyway, you have a chance for a bonus point here, Travy. Okay? Lock in, bro. Remember the episode. Oh Chris Bradley. I'm just I'm here for the underdog. If you're losing, I'd do the same. Bonus point. If you can name the trail Chris said was his favorite trail in Indiana. Talk quite extensively about this trail. Well uh there's no multiple choice. I've just read you the answer. Um that's a that's a cross out of the case. Ah, dude, Brad got it right. That's entirely correct. That is a 48-mile trail from end to end, Indiana's longest natural surface footpath.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:56

And I think we've been high like considering, highly considering doing that this year. Yeah, far.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:03

Dude, it'd be it'd be so fun. There's a lot, there is elevation, that's for sure. It takes you back through uh two state parks, like primarily, but definitely through some other areas, and it's great for backpacking.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:16

And is it one of those trails like we do we need to do that to consider ourselves like true hoosier backpackers?

SPEAKER_02 1:03:26

I think kind of so, right? Yeah, we're gonna be able to do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:30

You have to do it and then promote it. You get you learn the secret trail handshake for when you're walking by people.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:39

You know I love trail handshake.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:41

If not, we'll use the one that I came up with.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:43

That's it. That's it. That's it right there. I did that on that uh Man's Steve Trail like a dozen times. Did you do it in Austria?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:50

No, I didn't do it in Costa Rica. But I bet it is bilingual. I mean, that's a very bilingual. It should be, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:58

Wait, you can't tell people. And it's got secrets.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:02

Yeah, you gotta figure it out.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:05

I'm not a good secret keeper at all. I like to talk. I like secrets.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:09

If you're gonna do keep secrets, please don't say anything about it on the socials. Okay. Wait, oh, it's recorded.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:19

All right. A couple seasons ago, we started running through a rapid fire round of five questions with our guest, and Chris Bradley's interview was no different. One of the questions was whether Chris preferred boots or trail runners. He explained because of his age and his history, he preferred boots, but wouldn't mind getting in all in on the trail runner hype. This excited Travy J, who, although I got excited? Yeah, although it was a rapid. Yeah, you did. Although it was a rapid fire round, had to give his opinion as well. This is when Travis let the rest of us know he also preferred boots and in fact wears boots even during simple household chores. What chore did Travi admit to wearing boots while doing it?

SPEAKER_01 1:05:14

I know exactly what this is.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:15

Was it A, digging holes? B, laundry, C, mowing the lawn, or D, weeding the flower bed.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:27

That's so funny. I remember that exactly.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:31

Oh, yeah. All right, Brad has his answer. And Travis has his answer. It is B, laundry. And I will admit that I called Travi out quite hard during the episode. I was like, nope, you said laundry. Explain laundry. And also, if you go back and listen, you evaded that conversation pretty fucking well, dude. Out of the laundry conversation? The whole conversation.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:02

Is uh complicated.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:04

He's like when I take a shower, I put my boots on.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:06

Yeah, dude. I don't want to slip. All right, you both got that. There's an opportunity for another bonus point. If you can tell me the guest we started doing rapid fire questions with. Who was the guest that we started rapid fire questions with? No multiple choice. First guest to do rapid fire questions. Nope. No guests. Oh, I think I know. Travis guests Chadwick. Brad guessed Whitney. You're both wrong for the bonus question. It was season five, episode 49, conservation with Alyssa Augustin. I'm not going to try to pronounce her last name. Augustiniac. Augustiniac. I love you, Alyssa. That's who we did our first rapid fire round with.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:54

Did you go back that far?

SPEAKER_02 1:06:56

Yeah, I looked through all. I dude, it's this is fun.

unknown 1:06:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:59

That was like a long time ago. Yeah, it was.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:01

That's ancient history.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:02

That's sweet. I mean, that's I think that's well, it's only been like six or seven guests now at this point. Yeah. Yeah.

unknown 1:07:09

Holy crap.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:10

All right. Last episode I have for you guys. Two questions plus a bonus point. One bonus point. So, Travy, this is your round, dude. You've got to come up with this episode. It is your episode.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:21

Seven to ten.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:22

Yeah, you got a lock.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:23

I feel like there's some horseshit going on.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:26

All right, I'll give you extra points. I'll give you five bonus points on the last bonus question. Okay? What the fuck? What happens, Brad? Get over it. Episode 89. Two in the bush with Brad and Travis. This was the first episode I was not a part of, which means I had the opportunity to listen, sort of, free of the worries of hearing myself talk. One thing I took away from this app was the News Panther segment. It was all about the horseshoe crab. It's blood and some of the history of the arthropod. As a lifelong lover of the ocean and someone who fears land-faring creatures more than I do ocean-dwelling creatures, I was alarmed at the amount of times you both used words like terrifying and menacing. Remember, listeners, never judge a book by its cover.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:24

He was terrified, and he did say he's more terrified of land dwelling creatures than ocean dwelling. So us.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:31

Overall, though, the episode was fucking fantastic. And you boys held down the fort very well. Thank you very much. I'm glad you counted because I've that's why I'm doing it. And you guys, you guys held the fort down very well. I'm I'm gonna not read for a second. You guys really crushed it. It was awesome hearing you guys. It sounded to me like it was two bros that have known each other forever just shooting the shit about things that was like a Sunday afternoon conversation when Brad stops by the house. That's all he did.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:03

I got there and I was like, hey, what do you want to do for the app? And Brad's like, you want to just shoot the shit? And I was like, Word. Word we do it.

unknown 1:09:11

All right, Joe.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:12

Enough of the patriotism or patronism, whatever inism. To start off this episode, you guys were talking about the canoe. Patronizing. Patronizing, thank you. You to start off this episode, you guys were talking about the canoe yak trip we took the other weekend. You were also talking about the two canoes we brought from my garage. You'll nailed the first one, a 1965 aluminum grummet canoe, hand riveted, failed to name the second, arguably more beautiful canoe in my collection. It is beautiful. What is the name of this canoe?

SPEAKER_00 1:09:48

The fiberglass one?

SPEAKER_02 1:09:49

Yeah. Yeah. Is it a mohawk?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:52

Your name for it or the manufacturer? Brand and Blazer.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:59

Is it the A Mono Mohawk Mono? Yeah. Is it A Mohawk Blazer? Jesus, that's hard. B, the Winona Boundary Waters. C, Nova Craft Prospector, or D, Old Town Saranac. And those are brands of high-end kayak uh canoes.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:23

It is a the green on it's beautiful. And the wood interior. Yeah, it does look really nice.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:31

Quite gorgeous. All right, Travy guessed Old Town Saranac. Brad guessed Mohawk Blazer. It is the 16-foot Mohawk blazer. Boom. That is entirely correct. Travi, you are out of this game, but I still have two questions left. Let's go through it because this is one of my favorites. I got to see No points. You get a point. Yes, there's two points for this. Well, I guess six points. You can catch up with the very last question. If you don't lose this question, which would put you below six.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:06

I gotta get both of them.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:08

Yeah. Okay. Okay. As you move through this episode, a good portion of the show was spent talking about binoculars, binos, or bins for short. Yeah. Bins. You spoke of the Vortex bins you both own. Brad has and Travis waiting on. Waiting on them. And another middle range priced pair, the Bushnell. What brand of bin is widely considered the gold standard for bird watching and nature observation, which you yourself can purchase if you have roughly more, extensively more than a thousand dollars laying around. Is it A? The Maven? B the Leica? C Nox or D Savorski.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:56

Oh man Savorski sounds like a helicopter. Is that? Yeah. Or is that Kavorski? Man, that's a tough one. This is like the pinnacle of bird watching binoculars. The company that makes them. Yup. I got mine.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:18

Uh screw it. Travis guessed D, Brad guessed D. You both are right. Yeah. To be more specific, the new uh I have a lot of information about this. I was actually at Savorski's headquarters in Innsbruck, Austria, where they manufacture Savorsky. I my family bought you were just there. We were just there. Did you get the in Austria? And then on their property, they had these brand new Savorsky optic binoculars. And I got to try them and talk with the guy. It was fucking awesome. I have a photo of it sliced in half and all like the engineering that goes into it that I'm going to share with you guys later on. Damn. The different lenses and stuff that are inside of it.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:05

It's so much more than a fucking binocular. Let me go into it. Travis, uh Sokorski, I believe is the name you were thinking of. Yeah, Sikorsky. The helicopter.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:12

The Huey they made it.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:14

All right. Well, it's actually the binocular. While Savorski does make lots of different binoculars, they started off as a binocular brand. And then they kind of migrated into crystal um figurines and things. And then now they're going more into crystal jewelry. Right now, Ariana Grande is their sponsor for their jewelry. Originally a binocular and spotting scope company, but evolved into those. So these optics, new version, these versions are coming with built-in Merlin and iNaturalist.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:50

Over can recognize up to 9,000 species of animals, insect, bird, everything.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:58

So are they connected to your phone then?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:00

I got you. I got you, bro. They 9,000. They just added Africa's species to the list he was telling us that if you were to go on a Safari now with these binoculars, you would be able to spot those. It works by using the world's first, it's the first world's first AI binocular. And it uses something called GPRS. So there's no Wi-Fi needed. It's kind of like satellite, I suppose. Yeah. But that's what it uses. To be able you could be anywhere in the world and use these things with no issues whatsoever. Uh Ken and I I thought a couple of the parts that were cool is you can actually use these binoculars uh um on multiple phones. So if Brad had a pair of these binoculars and we were out in the jungle and he was looking at something, using this GPRS, not needing Wi-Fi, we could all pull the the view up on our phones, like you and I could, and so we can see what Brad's looking at. So it's got a camera in it's got a video camera and it's got a camera. And this is one of those binoculars too, like they had birds up in the shop, like small birds, big birds, whatever. And you could you could like pull the bin up, you press this little button on your right hand side, and that's Merlin. And on the inside of the lens is this neat like digital red like uh scope thing, and you put the whatever the subject is in the middle of that, press that button, hold it for five seconds, and you uh it'll tell you what species is and some other information about it. It's like cyberpunk bird watching. Yeah, dude, it was awesome. They were like, I think they were something like just over 5,000, but because we were at the headquarters, he would have given us like a 20% discount. So they took it down to like 4,800 or something. Awesome binoculars.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:56

Only 4,800. But I mean, I I imagine that tech's pretty insane, but I think we're kind of we've been on that road for a while where you're gonna be able to point your phone at anything and it's just gonna tell you exactly what it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:12

Yeah, but not with such good clarity as a Savorsky bit.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:17

Just like that, the direction of technology, the way it's going.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:20

All right. I agree. Last question. All right. I mentioned this a couple times. This question's worth five points on being uh on behest of Brad. If you can tell me where Savorski's factory is, I just mentioned it. He did. What the town? What the town is.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:38

Oh shit.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:40

Not the country.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:43

Uh okay, I'm gonna go ahead and all right, boards up.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:47

Boards up, crazy. Austria ville, Austria?

unknown 1:16:51

No.

SPEAKER_02 1:16:52

Alexy? Both wrong. It was Innsbruck. And if you guys ever have an opportunity to get away from the city.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:57

Innsbruck, that sounds a little English.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:00

Yeah, yeah, it really does. Innsbruck. It's okay, dude. Great town. It was an awesome city. We had lunch at a farm way up in the mountains. It was a fantastic town, but I wanted to bring a little bit of my travelers into this, uh, into this one.

SPEAKER_00 1:17:14

I think that that's very cool. And uh I had no idea that, or at least I wasn't paying attention in the chat, that you went there to go look at that stuff. And I didn't know that they were like the like apparently one of the best Benz makers in on the planet.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:30

That was that was the original intent of why we went to Austria, because my mom's been a Savorsky uh collector for a long time. Yeah. So she wanted to go to the headquarters, and they dude, it was awesome. The tour through there, like the little my mom described it originally as kind of a museum, yeah. But it was an art gallery. Each each room, and I think there was something like 16, 17 rooms you walked into. Each room was designed and uh choreographed by an artist that explained the history or like anything they wanted to do, but like the concept was crystal.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:06

So however you want to do it. So like the first room we walked, mind you, it was like 98 degrees outside. The first room we walked into was uh a room where they manufactured their own snow, and it was snowfall, it was like zero degrees Celsius, snowfall, and the whole tree was made of crystal, like a 16-foot-tall tree. It was elaborate art installations. I have photos I'm gonna share online a little bit uh of this art, our art, art installation.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:36

Mind you, Brad and I have not seen hardly anything from your Austria trip. Yeah, I do.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:41

I'm not good at talking about it. But anyway, that was it. Dude, that was our trivia episode, season nine in the books, season ten next week. Hey man, with uh your buddy, we your buddy as our guest.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:52

Do I wanna set us those bins for winning trivia? No.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:57

That's unfortunate.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:58

I actually have no prizes. I'm not a big cookies winning in the book.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:02

Yeah, I was kind of hoping Brad brought cookies back to the cookies. When I go home tonight, I am making cookies. Well, that doesn't do me any fucking good, does it?

SPEAKER_02 1:19:09

Let's get out of here. Season nine, recap. Season nine, everything in the books. Season 10 on the way. We have great guests, great guests. Like our guests for the next few seasons are going to be fart and killer.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:25

Patty tells us about the guests, and I'm always like, how the fart and hell do you do that?

SPEAKER_02 1:19:33

I send emails, baby.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:34

Yeah, yeah. And I I wrote in my notes I wanted, I wanted to mention like how good of a job you've done getting us great guests over these. Because Brad and I were pretty hands-off on it. Well, like we make suggestions. We're like, Patty, get Tom Green on here. Patty, can you get freaking? Yeah. Yeah. But nah, man, you do all that work to get them on the show. And prep.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:01

It's freaking well, it's kind of fun for me because I get to use the show as a catalyst to talk to people I'm interested in. I mean, I think we're all doing the same. Yeah, well, we got a lot coming up. Let's just get the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:14

Yeah, let's get the hell uh out of here. Let's have some beers, huh? Patty, I'm glad you're back home. Great job on the questions. That was so much fun. And uh, Brad, I don't have much to thank you for, but officially concede your loss. Thanks for listening, everybody. Keep on saundering.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:31

Bye.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:32

See ya.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:37

That was a fun episode.